Hi, Just noticed this: If you do <dtml-with object> where object is something callable, it calls it. That's a bit unpleasant for things like Squishdot Sites which do something (return a list of all their elements) when you call them. So the only way to _really_ do what I thought dtml-with is for was to do <dtml-with "object"> which is sucky to say the least. Comments, anyone? cheers, Chris