[Zope] DCOracle for 8.1.5 (8i)

[Sam Gendler]

Like I said, I don't think he reads the list.  Besides, I give him grief about
Oracle all the time, and he takes it in good humour.  I think the core of the
problem is that there are something like 3000 consultants in his department.
Imagine trying to maintain a consistent level of quality with that large of a
pool of employees.  That said, I find that independant oracle consultants are
just as bad.  I have never once been tempted to use oracle for anything, due to
the unbelievable added time of development and increased cost of maintenance.
Jim, if you are out there... See, I'm not the only one!!!!

--sam

Glyph Lefkowitz wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Jan 2000, Sam Gendler wrote:
>
> > Watch your mouths, guys.  My ex-girlfriend's father is director of
> > consulting engineering at Oracle and I have been slowly but surely
> > turning him on to Zope. You never know when he might start reading the
> > list (he doesn't yet, to the best of my knowledge).
>
> I'm taking this off this list, since I don't want to make your life
> unnecessarily hard for you :-) but I have to say that even my limited
> experience with Oracle's consulting has been uniformly poor (much along
> the lines of what mr. Baxter just described).
>
> Kick him for us, would you?  The poor quality of Oracle's support (and
> it's rediculous pricetag) makes it much more cost-effective for smaller
> companies to just use something like Postgres ... if the free dbms's
> become more scalable and Oracle stays at this level of complexity without
> adding CONSIDERABLE value to their current offering, or better support,
> they're just going to become obselete (postgres will do to them what Linux
> is doing to SCO).
>
> Maybe the features are in there, but I've never been able to coax them out
> of hiding.  All I could ever get was a broken installer, and extensions
> that didn't work as advertised.
>
> I got to use one for a while during my tenure at a large investment bank
> that was set up by another admin, maintained by someone whose entire job
> was Oracle administration, supported by a team of Oracle techs -- THERE I
> could see some additional functionality, but not much.  Given that it took
> probably ~$2M/yr to maintain the thing, it probably wasn't worth it.
>
> In conclusion, it was a good thing you mentioned this, 'cause if not, I
> wuld have launched into a supporting diatribe :-)
>
> > Anthony Baxter wrote:
>
> > > Once upon a time I attempted to write something that would parse
> > > the Makefiles that ship with Oracle to generate a Setup file. This
> > > was a completely fruitless task - Oracle seem to go out of their
> > > way to make this a total pain in the backside (probably to make
> > > more business for their consulting business "yes, we can help
> > > you compile an application" - god knows their consultant (in my
> > > experience, anyway) aren't much good for anything else...))
>
> ---
> Even if you can deceive people about a product through misleading statements,
> sooner or later the product will speak for itself.
> - Hajime Karatsu

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