In the ZMI all the objects are by default sorted alphabetically starting with Capital A and ending with small z. What if you don't want it to be case sensitive? It's prett darn ugly the way it is at the moment. I do something like this: <dtml-in GetLotsOfObjects sort=id> And it returns Peter Zope bengtsson rocky When I'd like it to be: bengtsson Peter rocky Zope Cheers, Peter