[Zope] Site statistics

[Norman Khine]

Hello Tino,
I am sure the Intelligence Services have a more advanced way of tracking
users, or perhaps not, they have laws and credit cards ;^(

To be a bit more clearer, I really wanted to know how to manipulate the data
from the zodb to produce reports as specified, mainly because I am building
a reader circulation application, which is currently running on a SQL
Server, and I want to transfer this to zope.

I can have a mix between the two, but from pure intellectual use, I wanted
to find out what and how this works.

Also note that all our members/prospective members have the option not to
give out their details, as you say on the net you could hide your details as
you wish, nobody really cares unless they want something from you.

Cheers

Norman

-----Original Message-----
From: Tino Wildenhain [mailto:tino@wildenhain.de]
Sent: 08 July 2001 20:18
To: Norman Khine; Gitte Wange
Cc: Zope
Subject: RE: [Zope] Site statistics


Hi Norman,

--On Sonntag, 8. Juli 2001 17:33 +0100 Norman Khine <khine@btinternet.com>
wrote:

> Hello Gitte,
> I am using webalizer to access my log files for zope, the Z2.log file, I
> have a cronjob that runs every evening

this should be efficient.

> Although, being in the publishing industry, we require additional
> information, from our registered site users. I would like to be able to
> analyse for each user where they went, which page and be able to break
> this by their demographic data.

Hm. May be you mix up publishing industry with intelligence service? ;)
The only solution to get all the data you want is to bother the user
untill she bleeds. But this isn't probably what you want here.

All the magic things analyzers do to get "demographical data" is to lie.
Probably their creators and for sure their users dont know, but they simple
lie :-)

A web request may be bound to an ip-address. Since none of the users carry
their
own personal IP-address with them around, you get the adresses of some silly
grey boxes. You will probably never know where this box really sits. Even
more not what user in front of it. (See also the meaning of proxies and IP
pools)
You might only get the address of the netblock owner, but this is seldom
the one
who uses your site :)

Sure, you can get some imformation with setting cookies and/or using
sessions.

But this means bothering the user and you dont get all of your users if they
start to avoid your pages because they dont want cookies, personal data or
simply see a slow server because of all the statistic stuff it does.

>
> Would any one has good pointers on where I can find info for analysing
> ZODB data -- for example:
> how would you request zodb to tell you how many records within a certain
> geo area there are? I did post a question on the ZODB mail list
> http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zodb-dev/2001-June/001034.html

Only the ZPublisher sees the IP address. It has absolutely nothing to
do with the ZODB here.

> and got a reply, that suggested that I needed to look OO databases
> differently -- as it seems I understand better from examples, could
> somebody be kind enough to perhaps send me couple of examples that
> analyse the data from the ZODB
>
> Thanks
>
> Norman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Gitte
> Wange
> Sent: 08 July 2001 13:49
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] Site statistics
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I was just wondering if Zope logs who visits what on a site ???
>
> Usually everything that happens on your webpages (when you e.g. use
> apache) ends up in you webservers access_log.
> But does ZServer logs the same ?
>
> If so - has anyone created a product to get this data out of the log files
> and  display them on a webpage ??
> Before I started on Zope, I was using something called webalizer.
>
> Or - is it hard to "analyze" a log file and display the data from it ???
>
> Regards,
> Gitte Wange
>
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