[Zope] ColdFusion - I want to remain a Zopista, please help

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Mojo, this isn't an answer to your inquiry, but an opinion regarding CF and
Macromedia, facing Zope.

I don't have a working knowlegde of Cold Fusion, but I did bet on
Dreamweaver since the very early stages of its development - meaning the
beta versions-, when nobody thought Macromedia could succeed at building a
killer web designer like DW is today, because it was engineered from sratch,
and we all know that when an application is written like that, the obvious
risk is that users get intimidated by knew GUIs, leading them to loose
interest at their fancy features.

Macromedia did succeed, and now Cold Fusion belongs to them. If I were to
give a simple recommendation I'd say "just stay with Macromedia. They also
know multimedia, and you'll count on internet media tools, tightly
integrated to all your MM previous systems, when you need them."

But I choose Zope. Not because it's a standard (it isn't), not because it's
easy to learn (it isn't), not because its completely documented (it isn't),
but because its object oriented architecture. Zope is a very smart framework
to start the building of complex applications, because when you think of a
new internet app, you always think of folders and pages, not tables and
adapters.

I'm also aware that this extraodinary buzz on Zope wouldn't be possible if
it wasn't Open Source, so that's a bonus. I don't know CF but I'm sure that
you couldn't blame on them because a simple feature isn't there, because
that's the software you bought, keep it or leave it :) . On the contrary,
because Zope it's open, you know you can modify it until it performs exactly
the way you want it, even as a development tool.

The only way I'd give CF a try is when it becomes open. Would that be
possible, given the fact they've already given away the Flash format?


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Mojo Clark wrote:
>
> This email I received from the head of our IS dept. explains my situation
> (posted with sender's permission after anonymizing it).
>
> ========================================================
> As you are all well aware there has been a recent surge in the amount of
web
> design work that staff has been seeking.  This has brought to light the
fact
> that we need to have a standard in web design software.  I am referring to
> design software that takes us beyond the level of what programs like
> Dreamweaver and Front Page can do.  I believe the two options we have here
> are Zope and ColdFusion.
>
> Please put together a list of pros and cons regarding what you would like
to
> use to accomplish some of our more intensive web design tasks.  Send your
> lists to me via e-mail by the 26th of July and I will compile them into
> something that we can sit down and work through and come up with a
decision
> on what our standard should be.  I have checked to see if [the parent
> company] has a standard and it appears that they do not as they do not
have
> a true web design group.
>
> Due to the increasing amount of work, I would like to make a decision on
> this rather quickly so as not to delay the production of any projects.
> ============================================================
>
> I've been a Zopista for about a year so I can address the benefits of
Zope,
> but I am not knowledgeable regarding ColdFusion. What is driving the
> pro-ColdFusion push is our graphics department whose main web tool is
> Dreamweaver. They don't do dynamic web programming or database integration
> and it took some explaining to move the choice from Zope vs. Dreamweaver
to
> Zope vs. ColdFusion.
>
> I am looking for reasons why Zope is a better choice than ColdFusion. Any
> knowledgeable responses greatly appreciated.
>
> I sense that using Zope would be a non-issue if the graphics dept. was
> assured that they wouldn't have to abandon their GUI-based design tools.
> Does anyone have experience collaborating with Zope where the
> non-programming graphics people are sharing the Zope interface? Have you
> been able to find a mutually agreeable arrangement?
>
> There has been plenty of discussion regarding "Zopeweaver" but it sounds
> like integration is limited.
>
> -mojo clark
>
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