[Zope] zope 2.4
Fritz Mesedilla
fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph
Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:11:31 +0800
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RE: [Zope] Comment on comments in DTMLwhat do we need in order to upgrade
zope from 2.3.2 to version 2.4?
i read somewhere i need to upgrade python to 2.1. what else do i need like
do i need other updates in order for me to update python? i seem to be
having trouble updating python from 1.5 to 2.1. it's like asking me to
upgrade my gcc version because it cannot understand a "-ldz" argument.
weird.
what is the benefit of upgrading from 2.3.2 to 2.4? i know there are a lot
of changes. but is all the updtaes of pythong and zope worth it?
i don't have an idea of what to do now. thanks.
Fritz Mesedilla
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Cameron [mailto:tom@cameron.to]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 8:17 PM
To: tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: RE: [Zope] Comment on comments in DTML
Toby,
I think that DTML, mostly because of its modular and hierarchical nature,
is
deceptively simple, but actually quite powerful.
It is true that most individual methods or documents are simple in
isolation, but within an entire site they represent part of a complex
system.
I find it is this modular nature that, in fact, drives me to want to
comment
my code even more. If you are sharing your code or developing in a team,
it
can be difficult to drill through many separated methods to understand
what
is happening.
I think you can never comment code too much.
Thanks, Tim, for your comments, I was not aware that it had been discussed
before.
Tom.
=>
=> I think one reasonable answer to this is that dtml is not really
=> designed for code. If you have logic expressed in dtml that is
=> non-trivial enough to benefit from commenting, then dtml is probably
=> not the best language to express it in.
=>
=> (all, IMO).
=>
=>
=>
=> Toby Dickenson
=> tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com
=>
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<P><FONT size=3D2>Toby,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>I think that DTML, =
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because of its modular and hierarchical nature, is</FONT> <BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>deceptively simple, but actually quite powerful.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>It is true that most individual methods or documents =
are=20
simple in</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>isolation, but within an entire =
site they=20
represent part of a complex</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>system.</FONT> =
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<P><FONT size=3D2>I find it is this modular nature that, in fact, =
drives me to=20
want to comment</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>my code even more. If you =
are sharing=20
your code or developing in a team, it</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>can be =
difficult=20
to drill through many separated methods to understand what</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>is happening.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>I think you can never comment code too much.</FONT> =
</P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Thanks, Tim, for your comments, I was not aware that =
it had=20
been discussed</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>before.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Tom.</FONT> </P>
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designed for code. If you have logic expressed in dtml that is</FONT>=20
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commenting, then=20
dtml is probably</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>=3D> not the best =
language to=20
express it in.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>=3D></FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>=3D>=20
(all, IMO).</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>=3D></FONT> <BR><FONT =
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