--- If the thing in question is really a list not a string as you show here then couldn't you do something like: bozo.del[2] which should delete the third item in the list. --- problem is i don't know where the string is, i only know it's contents... and it "seems" to behave like a list because i can use _.whrandom.choive(bozo) succesfully on it. i'm still in the dark ;-) $ven