[Zope] Quickstart needs updating!

[Farrell, Troy]

Perhaps it should instead be offered for download as a .zexp importable
file.  
That would be a workable solution.

Troy

-----Original Message-----
From: Michel Pelletier [mailto:michel@digicool.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 5:00 PM
To: Farrell, Troy
Cc: 'Chris McDonough'; zope@zope.org
Subject: RE: [Zope] Quickstart needs updating!


On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Farrell, Troy wrote:

> Fine by me.  Hmmm.  I wonder if putting the Zope Book in a /Documentation
> folder isn't a bad idea.  IIRC, both Apache and IIS ship with a Manual in
> the install.

The book is almost 2MB.

Not that it's a big deal in this day and age, but I think it's cool that
Zope can fit on a floppy. ;)

On the flip side, if the book came with Zope, the examples could be
*integrated*.  That would be cool.

-Michel

> Troy
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris McDonough [mailto:chrism@digicool.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 3:06 PM
> To: Michel Pelletier; Donald Braman
> Cc: zope@zope.org; luke@seeto.com
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Quickstart needs updating!
> 
> 
> Actually, it's displayed by the root index_html as well.
> 
> I'll ax the old quickstart stuff unless anybody thinks differently.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michel Pelletier" <michel@digicool.com>
> To: "Donald Braman" <donald.braman@yale.edu>
> Cc: <zope@zope.org>; <luke@seeto.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 4:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Quickstart needs updating!
> 
> 
> >
> > There is a new "Zope Quick Start" menu selection in Zope 2.3.  I'm not
> > sure why the old quickstart is still around, it should be axed in favor
of
> > this new screen.
> >
> > The Zope Quick Start menu selection is, I think, exactly what you're
> > looking for.  Log into Zope.org into your member area and check it out,
> > you can find it in the very top frame as a pulldown menu selection.
> >
> > -Michel
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Donald Braman wrote:
> >
> > > It's true that there is not a clear message as to where a newbie
should
> > > start to learn Zope. The Zope home page has a "Learn Zope" section.
When
> you
> > > click on More..., though, you don't find a tutorial, but a kind of
> "about
> > > page". If you are really smart (or lucky), you'll then click on the
Zope
> > > Book link and read it cover to cover, doing all the exercises.
However,
> it
> > > would be good to have this be explicitly stated as generically the
best
> way
> > > to learn about Zope for those who are starting fresh.
> > >
> > > I propose a tweak to the layout for the zope.org home page, breaking
out
> > > "about Zope" and "Learning Zope". Learning Zope would contain, of
> course,
> > > links to various introductory documents and how-tos. However, it would
> state
> > > up front what a newbie who wants to learn Zope should do. It might
also
> have
> > > separate sections for non-programmers, people with programming
> experience,
> > > real wizards, etc. Obviously people can learn however they want, but
> being
> > > told "If in doubt, do/read this, then do/read this, etc." is helpful
to
> > > newbies who are generally "in doubt" about what to do.
> > >
> > > BTW, I think Zope Newbies could do the same. A "Learn Zope" link or
area
> on
> > > the top page there be very nice.
> > >
> > > -Don
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Zope] Quickstart needs updating!
> > > Michel Pelletier michel@digicool.com
> > > Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:31:47 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > > On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Joel Burton wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Jeff Sasmor wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > >>>In The Almighty Lever
> > > > >   "An exiting new development being worked on for Zope is The
> Lever... "
> > > > >
> > > > >   (I have been working with Zope for well over a year and
> > > > >    still don't know what THIS is....)
> > > >
> > > > Yeeps. Never heard of it.
> > >
> > > "The Lever" is the same thing as a ZClass factory.  In fact, the last
> > > chapter of the Zope book explains how you can use factories to create
> > > pre-fab templates from regular Zope objects as well as from
> > > ZClasses.  That's the lever.
> > >
> > > http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/CustomZopeObjects.dtml
> > >
> > > > > >>> In "Programming Data with Tabula"
> > >
> > > Tabula became ZTables, which is the genetic predecessor of ZCatalog.
> > >
> > > > > Summary: Quickstart Really Needs to Get Updated
> > >
> > > Quickstart Really Needs to Get Axed.
> > >
> > > -Michel
> > >
> > >
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