[ZOPE] newbie question: getting title_or_id from calling document

Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:25:28 -0400

>I then created another header
> (public_header) and test (testing) DTML methods, and get the same
> results when I try to display the title/ID of the calling document in
> the public_header DTML method.

If you want the title of the folder, then your calling-Document needs to be
a method.  If there is no reason that your DTML-Doc has to be a doc, this is
your solution.
DTML-docs are folderish and have their own properties that will be inherited
by a method in the namepsace, overriding the folder properties.
This is why I have been told dont use DTML-Docs.

I am sure there is some DTML-magic workaround for your public_header that
only calls the title of the objecttype('Folder').  But sometimes Zope
work-arounds are a replacement for mis-used object types and architecture.

-Trevor

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Simon
> Brogden
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 1:47 PM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: RE: [ZOPE] newbie question: getting title_or_id from calling
> document
>
>
> Thanks for the swift reply Trevor, very much appreciated.
>
> I think I understand what you mean, but I'm unsure as to the solution.
>
> I've recreated the header and the index_html as DTML methods, both in
> the same folder, and know get the folder name as the title, as expected
> based on what you said in your email. I then created another header
> (public_header) and test (testing) DTML methods, and get the same
> results when I try to display the title/ID of the calling document in
> the public_header DTML method.
>
> I'm at a loss on how to proceed to solve my problem.
>
> Can anyone help?
>
> Thanks for your time,
> Simon.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trevor Toenjes [mailto:zope@toenjes.com]
> Sent: 15 October 2001 18:28
> To: Simon Brogden; zope@zope.org
> Subject: RE: [ZOPE] newbie question: getting title_or_id from calling
> document
>
>
> >From one Newbie to another...
>
> DTML-methods inherit the properties of the calling container.  In many
> cases, this is the folder that is being rendered.  So the index_html
> that is
> called from the folder, takes on the properties, title, id, etc, from
> that
> folder.  This assumes that index_html is a method and not a Doc.
> It took me a couple weeks using Zope to realize that the default folder
> set-up that includes index_html as a document should seldom be used...
> <read...never>  (Actually I suggest that this should be removed from the
> ZMI, because it trips up most newbies.  Or at least give the option to
> create index_html as a method.)
> Most of the Zopistas have told me that DTML-Documents are bad.
> In general you will mostly want to use Methods for everything that is an
> object or part of a template.
> DTML-Documents are good for just content. <read...text.>
>
> And consider the emminent message from anyone saying "USE ZPT instead of
> DTML".  ;)
>
> -Trevor
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of
> Simon
> > Brogden
> > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 1:05 PM
> > To: zope@zope.org
> > Subject: [ZOPE] newbie question: getting title_or_id from calling
> > document
> >
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > I'm trying to create a standard_header that when included in a
> document
> > uses the calling documents namespace. So, if the standard_header was:
> > <html>
> > <head>
> > <title><dtml-var title_or_id></title
> > </head>
> > ...
> > ...
> >
> > and the index_html document had as it's first line:
> > <dtml-var standard_header>
> >
> > How can I make the standard header DTML document write the title/ID of
> > index_html or any of the documetns that call/include it?.
> >
> > Apologies in advance if I'm being thick.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Simon.
> >
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