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Pandey Ashok
ashok654@yahoo.com
Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:22:27 -0700 (PDT)
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> There are 25 messages in this issue.
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> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Zope Documentation in general
> From: Patrick Price <jprice22@wvu.edu>
> 2. Re: Running zope with Python 2.2...
> From: "Andreas Jung"
> <andreas@andreas-jung.com>
> 3. Re: What is lst[0] ??
> From: Max M <maxm@mxm.dk>
> 4. Re: What is lst[0] ??
> From: Nicolas Évrard <nicoe@wanadoo.be>
> 5. using a ZCatalog via xmlrpc
> From: Sylvain Thénault
> <Sylvain.Thenault@logilab.fr>
> 6. Re: using a ZCatalog via xmlrpc
> From: "Andreas Jung"
> <andreas@andreas-jung.com>
> 7. StructuredText question
> From: Andreas Kostyrka
> <andreas@kostyrka.priv.at>
> 8. Vladimir Knobel/Com.Factory is out of the
> office.
> From: meckert@comfactory.ch
> 9. Re: StructuredText question
> From: "Andreas Jung"
> <lists@andreas-jung.com>
> 10. Problem with undo
> From: "Josef Meile" <jmeile@hotmail.com>
> 11. Re: [Zope-dev] DTML and REQUEST data
> changes about to be checked in
> From: Max M <maxm@mxm.dk>
> 12. Re[2]: Question regarding exUserFolder
> From: Dmitry Matveev
> <matveev@uralfirm.ru>
> 13. Re: Problems with list of object references
> From: Sven Rudolph
> <rudolph@medical-tribune.de>
> 14. Re: [Zope-dev] Coroner's toolkit for zope,
> or how to figure out what went wrong.
> From: Jim Fulton <jim@zope.com>
> 15. Tutos
> From: Oliver Marx <Oliver@tekk.dk>
> 16. Re: Problem with undo
> From: Maik Jablonski
> <maik.jablonski@uni-bielefeld.de>
> 17. Re: Tutos
> From: "Andreas Jung"
> <lists@andreas-jung.com>
> 18. Re[2]: Lookinf inside page templates from a
> script
> From: Dmitry Matveev
> <matveev@uralfirm.ru>
> 19. Re: Problem with undo
> From: Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com>
> 20. Re: Problems with list of object references
> From: Stefan H. Holek <stefan@epy.co.at>
> 21. need to make zope accessable from only two
> different IP-Addresses
> From: Manuel Hendel <zope@hendel.net>
> 22. RE: Tutos
> From: "Oliver Marx" <oliver@tekk.dk>
> 23. Re: need to make zope accessable from only
> two different IP-Addresses
> From: "Andreas Jung"
> <lists@andreas-jung.com>
> 24. Re: Problem with undo
> From: Jens Vagelpohl <jens@zope.com>
> 25. Re: Tutos
> From: Maik Jablonski
> <maik.jablonski@uni-bielefeld.de>
>
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:43:55 -0400
> From: Patrick Price <jprice22@wvu.edu>
> Subject: Zope Documentation in general
>
> Here's my general take on spending about a week
> looking for good Zope
> documention (from a newbie perspective)...Pardon me
> if this is too obvious.
>
> I'm finding that Zope documentation has these
> common problems:
>
> I finally found the How-To's by a roundabout route -
> I would search
> Google for "Zope" and my subject, then I'd find
> these wonderful
> How-To's, but, they all seemed to be owned by
> separate authors and there
> were no links from each How-To back to a master
> table of contents, nor
> an index. Each page was by itself and had no hooks
> to any other
> documentation. It seemed in every case I was at the
> end of the
> documentation line. I didn't know where the "master
> list" of these
> things were. Eventually I came to find the Docs
> link on the Zope.org
> site.
>
> Then I found that the "basic" how-to's which applied
> to me are sometimes
> old and thus hard to find (initially). I found that
> by going to Docs,
> All How-To's, then setting the Batch Size box to the
> total # of entries,
> I could scroll to the bottom of the entire list and
> start finding the
> stuff I wanted to read, like:
>
> Gotchas for Zope Beginners 2000/10/16 jens
> Zope Installation Choices 2000/08/24 guy_davis
> Z Catalog Tutorial 2000/10/16 Amos
> The DTML Name Space How-To 2000/10/16 michel
> Getting Started With DTML Scripting 2000/10/16 Pam
>
> You get the idea... notice the dates on these.
> Unfortunately for this
> layout, the how-to's get more complex as time
> passes. So as a new Zope
> user, I initially see a bunch of high-level stuff at
> the top which
> usually isn't basic information. Almost enough to
> make me give up
> because I spend all my time searching for
> documentation relevant to my
> skill level. I have to dig to find the "good
> newbie stuff" at the
> bottom. This makes sense in terms of "starting at
> the bottom" for new
> people, and allows people more versed in the product
> to "find the
> latest" at the top, however the ordering as it is,
> is "static",
> appealing to one mindset. It is limiting. Perhaps
> rating systems and
> voting on the most popular/helpful documents is the
> answer?
>
> The other thing I'd like to mention is that I
> haven't yet found an INDEX
> for this stuff - like the kind you'd find in a good
> book. Are there no
> keywords for these documents? Must I forever be
> performing text or
> Google searches on everything? I come across the
> good docs *almost
> always* as a result of someone making a URL mention
> in an email. It's
> almost a shame that subscribing to a mailing list is
> the best way to
> find where the documentation is. Lists are a good
> thing, don't get me
> wrong, but still...not everyone knows the value of
> mailing lists, or has
> the time to scan everything.
>
> I'd like to see some sort of knowledge-base
> product for Zope
> documentation, something that would open up the Zope
> world to me by
> asking "What level are you? Beginner? Well then,
> here's what you need
> to be looking at to make you smarter." "This
> How-To rated Beginner."
> or "Warning: complex subject ahead."
>
> With "rating systems" then I could do the driving,
> rather than me having
> to adapt to how someone else decided the documents
> should be presented.
> Maybe then I could avoid wading through the latest
> greatest information
> which is often tantalizing but ultimately confusing
> for my beginner
> status.
>
> I'm not after slamming Zope.org or the documentation
> itself. I have
> the same problems finding stuff every time I
> undertake document
> research. I just have this feeling that Zope can do
> all this and more.
> Is it already being done?
>
> I propose that a few documentation implementation
> standards would go a
>
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Ashok Pandey
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