[Zope] Considerations using Zope
Daniël Hooymans
d.hooymans@edufocus.nl
Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:38:44 +0100
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Hi,
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At our company we are checking out some development platforms (must be =
crossplatform) we will going to use in the near future. Our list of =
platforms is (PHP, JSP, ZOPE / Python, J2EE - Java). Our company focuses =
itself mostly to webdevelopment for educational purposes.
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I proposed Zope to be included in this list because i believe it is a =
good, stable and innovative platform to use although still new to many. =
Because of my proposal and familiarity of Zope, i was selected to give a =
presentation which should (read MUST ;-) ) influence my colleagues so =
that zope will be THE development within our organisation for the =
future.
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Currently there are ten points of consideration set by my boss. These =
are not specific to zope but for all potential platforms. It would be =
very helpfull if you would take some time giving me input on these =
considerations. I will take them in account when making the =
presentation.
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Considerations:
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1. Object Orientation
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In which ways is the language object oriented en which things are =
missing from the language.
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2. Server and client objects.
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To what extend is it possible to define and use client side objects =
aside from server components. e.g. Possibility to include/use special =
tags which automagically instantiate the correct custom control objects.
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3. Framework
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How diverse is the default library of Objects and methods. (Guess this =
is more a python thing besides the use of products)
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4. Support
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How / howfar is the development platform used by developers.
Is there a good knowledge base / FAQ's available.
Are there good / many newsgroups available... ( Hmmmm, depend on =
response to this message ;-) )=20
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5. 3th party support
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Are there extentional development tools available.
What kind of engines are available. ( python / zope )
Are extra components available. If so, which. ( yeah yeah, Zope product =
database is one)
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6. Cost
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What do the essential development tools cost.
What are the costs to commercially use the development platform.
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7. Userfriendly
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How good is the development platform.
Are all tools needed available.
Is the platform intuitive to use.
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8. Distribution
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What is needed to host a website using the platform. (no need to =
answer.. zope ??)
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9. XML Support
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Which tools are available.
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10. Developer value
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What is the value of a developer having good knowledge of the platform =
on the jobmarket.
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[11]. What are other pros/cons using Zope / Python as development =
platform.
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So far the list. Last entry is my own.
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Thanks in advance,
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Daniel Hooymans
Sofware developer www.edufocus.nl
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size=3D2>Hi,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>At our =
company we=20
are checking out some development platforms (must be crossplatform) we =
will=20
going to use in the near future. Our list of platforms is (PHP, JSP, =
ZOPE /=20
Python, J2EE - Java). Our company focuses itself mostly to =
webdevelopment for=20
educational purposes.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I =
proposed Zope to=20
be included in this list because i believe it is a good, stable and =
innovative=20
platform to use although still new to many. Because of my proposal and=20
familiarity of Zope, i was selected to give a presentation which should =
(read=20
MUST ;-) ) influence my colleagues so that zope will be THE development =
within=20
our organisation for the future.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Currently there are=20
ten points of consideration set by my boss. These are not specific to =
zope but=20
for all potential platforms. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
class=3D949164513-16122002><SPAN=20
class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It would be very =
helpfull if=20
you would take some time giving me input on these considerations. I =
will=20
take them in account when making=20
the presentation.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></SPAN>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Considerations:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1. =
Object=20
Orientation</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In =
which ways is the=20
language object oriented en which things are missing from the=20
language.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2. =
Server and client=20
objects.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To =
what extend is it=20
possible to define and use client side objects aside from =
server=20
components. e.g. Possibility to include/use special tags which=20
automagically instantiate the correct custom control=20
objects.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3.=20
Framework</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>How =
diverse is the=20
default library of Objects and methods. (Guess this is more a python =
thing=20
besides the use of products)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>4.=20
Support</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>How / =
howfar is the=20
development platform used by developers.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Is =
there a good=20
knowledge base / FAQ's available.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Are =
there good /=20
many newsgroups available... ( Hmmmm, depend on response to this =
message=20
;-) ) </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>5. 3th =
party=20
support</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Are =
there=20
extentional development tools available.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What =
kind of engines=20
are available. ( python / zope )</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Are =
extra components=20
available. If so, which. ( yeah yeah, Zope product database is=20
one)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>6.=20
Cost</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What =
do the=20
essential development tools cost.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What =
are the costs=20
to commercially use the development platform.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>7.=20
Userfriendly</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>How =
good is the=20
development platform.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Are =
all tools needed=20
available.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Is the=20
platform intuitive to use.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>8.=20
Distribution</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What =
is needed to=20
host a website using the platform. (no need to answer.. zope=20
??)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>9. XML =
Support</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Which =
tools are=20
available.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>10. =
Developer=20
value</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What =
is the value of=20
a developer having good knowledge of the platform on the=20
jobmarket.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>[11]. =
What are other=20
pros/cons using Zope / Python as development =
platform.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So far =
the list.=20
Last entry is my own.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks =
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advance,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Daniel =
Hooymans</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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developer </FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D949164513-16122002><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://www.edufocus.nl">www.edufocus.nl</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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