[Zope] JBoss vs Zope (was "Tomcat vs Zope")

[A. Keyton Weissinger]

I attempted to port my team's WebLogic 5.1 application
to JBoss and found that when the proverbial rubber met
the road, JBoss was an interesting academic exercise,
but certainly not ready for prime time. After three
months of patching the source and trying to force it
to work, we gave up. Avoiding the BEA development
license fees just weren't worth the pain.

And if that wasn't enough reason to shun it, take a
look at some of the communications from Fleury (dev
lead for JBoss). Reading the mailing list for JBoss is
like watching Days of our Lives, but without the
acting talent or plot. If someone challenges him
seriously, he generally flames them and then removes
them from the list. That entire community represents
(IMO) the dark side of cowboy open source development.

Always remember and never take for granted that we
(Zope/Python) have a wonderful, open and friendly open
source community. Other open source communities are
not nearly as approachable.

Keyton
--- Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net> wrote:
> fsd fds wrote:
> 
> >  --- seb bacon <seb@jamkit.com> wrote: >
> > 
> >>For a more meaningful comparison, you could
> compare
> >>zope to J2EE, which
> >>provides for concepts of object-relational
> mapping,
> >>persistence, etc. 
> >>The open source J2EE server is jboss.
> >>
> > 
> > You're right.
> > 
> > I'm checking out www.jboss.org
> > They have claims like 
> > "JBOSS #1 AMONG OPEN SOURCE APPLICATION SERVERS"
> > 
> > "4000 DOWNLOADS PER DAY, JBOSS SETS NEW RECORD"
> > (anyone knows about zope download statistics? is
> ZC
> > reading this?)
> > 
> > seems pretty nice. Damn, now I have to spend the
> > whole day installing stuff and reading docs ;-)
> > 
> 
> You can look at the statistics of zope.org at
> http://ns1.zope.org:82/
> 
> There you'll find some data for instance under
> "top urls by kbytes":
> 
> 
> 
> 8912 /Products/Zope/2.4.3/Zope-2.4.3-win32-x86.exe
> 3228 /Products/Zope/2.4.3/Zope-2.4.3-linux2-x86.tgz
> 976  /Products/Zope/2.4.1/Zope-2.4.1-linux2-x86.tgz
> 983 
> /Products/Zope/2.5.0b3/Zope-2.5.0b3-win32-x86.exe
> 795  /Products/Zope/2.4.1/Zope-2.4.1-win32-x86.exe
> 753 
> /Products/Zope/2.5.0b4/Zope-2.5.0b4-win32-x86.exe
> 1213 /Products/Zope/2.4.3/Zope-2.4.3-src.tgz
> 543
> /Products/Zope/2.5.0b3/Zope-2.5.0b3-linux2-x86.tgz
> 
> makes 17403 downloads in 16 days =~ 1100 downloads
> per day for a time 
> which includes a quite inactive period (beginning of
> the year). And 
> there are more versions of zope downloadable than
> this statistic tells us.
> 
> Nonetheless, I heard that jboss is quite a
> competitive product in the 
> J2EE scene, regardless of it's price.
> 
> cheers,
> oliver
> 
> 
> 
> 
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