[Zope] How to organize users in "groups"

[Phil Glaser]

Hi Roger,

nuxUserGroups looks cool, though I'm a little concerned about its level of
maturity. Is it stable and reliable?

I agree that reproducing the administrative interface is inefficient, and
have made that fact clear to my client. The problem is that the system is
intended for use by folks who are relatively unskilled technically. ZMI for
these users would be too unusable. Basically I'm going to have to dig into
some of the ZMI manage methods and lift some of the code into my own
application's pages. It does not strike me as the most efficient use of
resources but the customer is insisting on it.

Thanks so much for your help!!!

--Phil


>-----Original Message-----
>From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Roger
>Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 12:58 PM
>To: zope@zope.org; StillSmallVoice@DirectvInternet.com
>Subject: RE: [Zope] How to organize users in "groups"
>
>
>Hi Philip
>I think you should use nuxUserGroups. This zope product form nuxeo
>organise the users in groups andd you can assign roles to this groups.
>And for the other logic I whould use DC workflow witch is a workflow
>product for zope.
>
>Look at www.plone.org. Pherhaps plone has many of your ideeas
>implemented. Spacial the member area for your end users.
>And in plone you can many things offer to your client without to touch
>the ZMI.
>
>Let me know if you realy plan to develope a coustom ZMI interface. I
>think it's to much work and the second argument is, it's realy possible
>to develope a custom interface for ZMI who is "better" for the customer?
>What's better? I know I don't like the ZMI if I make a presentation by a
>customer.
>
>Mit freundlichen Grüssen
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>Message: 10
>From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice@DirectvInternet.com>
>To: <zope@zope.org>
>Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:40:54 -0400
>Subject: [Zope] How to organize users in "groups"
>
>Hi,
>
>I'm building a CMF site for a client who wants to organize users within
>groups. The twofold purpose of this organization is: 1) to be able to
>send
>mail to specific constituencies of users; and 2) to assign permissions
>to
>specific constituencies of users. My client wants the application to
>have
>it's own custom administrative interface (he does not want the site's
>administrators to be exposed to ZMI) that will enable the administrators
>to
>set permissions for specific groups on specific folders. The permissions
>that the administrator sees may be simplified versions of the more
>complex
>sets of permissions you see through ZMI. For example, for a folder the
>administrator would only see the permissions "No Access," "Read Only,"
>"Submit File," and "Approve File." It is also important to know that the
>site is structured as multi-community portal. In other words, members
>are
>defined at the level of the portal, and they will have permission to
>belong
>to specific communities within the portal. Each community will have the
>same
>functionality (content folders, discussions, news, etc.) but the content
>will be different for each.
>
>It seems to me that the simplest way to do this is is to implement a
>"group"
>as a role. In other words, what my client is calling a "group" would be
>the
>equivalent of a Zope "role." When the administrator adds a new group, he
>would under the hood be adding a new role. When he adds a user to one or
>more groups, he would be associating the user with the roles (users need
>to
>be able to belong to more than one group at a time). Listing the members
>of
>a group and sending mail to them would mean filtering the user objects
>based
>on their role (assuming this can be done). As for the simplified
>permissions, there would need to be a dictionary in a script that
>correlates
>each of these simple permissions with one or more of the native Zope
>permissions.
>
>I think the only major problem with my approach stems from the fact that
>the
>groups/roles would be different for each comunity -- they would not
>apply to
>the entire portal. However, users would still be defined at the portal
>level
>because they will have access to multiple communities. Through ZMI, it
>looks
>like you can only assign a role to a user if the role has been defined
>at
>the same level as the user in the hierarchy or at a containing level in
>the
>hierarchy; in this case, I want to be able to assign a role that has
>been
>defined at a level below the level at which the user is defined.
>
>So my question is: is there a workaround for assigning a role to a user
>when
>the role is defined further down in the hierarchy from where the user
>is, or
>is there some other way entirely that I should be solving this problem?
>
>Many thanks!
>
>Philip Glaser
>Principal and Software Architect
>Sustainable Software Solutions, LLC
>StillSmallVoice@DirectvInternet.com
>www.sustainsoft.com
>973-951-9522
>
>
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