[Zope] Zope: 5.4, jboss 0.3 million hits with google

[Jack Park]

At 10:59 AM 2/12/2003, Santoshi Reddy wrote:
>I will add my voice to Zope.but i have to say the documentation
>definately needs to improve.
>
>S.

As a brain-damaged Java hacker, I have this point of view. Java is pretty 
nice, that is, it is nice because I'm able to hack stuff that works in 
Java. And, that's about it.  Using the same metric, I'm stuck with the idea 
that Python sucks, but that's because I'm not able to hack stuff (yet) that 
works in Python.  I plan to change that.  Using Zope, however, is not 
turning out to be the "light-switch easy" task I hoped it would be.

I downloaded the JBoss exe installer, installed it, and presto! JBoss came 
up on localhost immediately.

I downloaded Zope 2.6.0 exe, installed it, and presto! Zope camp up on 
localhost immediately.

So far, so good.  Where's the beef (imho)?

Zope is cool because it has so many, as you call them, products. I saw a 
John Graham demo that would leave anybody salivating over what you can do 
right out of the box with Zope, Plone, and a bunch of other stuff.  Nothing 
like that, really, exists for JBoss, though some incredibly powerful, 
well-funded "products" already exist in Java that do much the same stuff 
(e.g. DSpace, and many others).

Both environments, for me, share one overriding set of problems, all 
associated with versions of python, java and other stuff.  For instance, I 
installed 2.6, then installed Silva and all its goodies, only to find out 
that the problems I encountered were thought to be associated with the fact 
that Silva had only been tested on 2.5.1, so I installed 2.5.1 and, well, 
the problems still exist, and I'm lead (by way of email postings) to 
suspect that there is some difficulty associated with PyXML and so 
forth.  I've had the same experiences with Java, but in that environment, I 
know where to look; in Zope, I am lost.

Is one better than the other? I don't know the answer to that. I think both 
may be essentially the same in some sense, with the primary criteria being 
familiarity. Theoretically speaking, JBoss has tackled the scalability 
issues. I have yet to find that Zope has done the same.

My 0.02 EUROs
Cheers
Jack Park


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