[Zope] Disgraceful

[John Poltorak]

On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 01:07:38PM -0400, Tiller, Michael (M.M.) wrote:
> <rant>
> This is such a bunch of bullshit.  I am so tired of "the answer is out
> there somewhere, why can't you find it yourself?" being the
> justification for not helping people who ask reasonable questions. 

I very much sympathise with your predicament having suffered similar 
'advice' in the past. 

Some people on this list go out of their way to be helpful, others try to 
make you feel like a dunce, and to be quite honest, you already feel like  
a dunce when you are new to something, especially something as complex and 
and secret as Zope, you don't need people giving unhelpful advice like 
RTFM. 

I can't help feeling that Zope needs a newbies list for people just 
starting out. It's just such a difficult product to get your head around 
and this is the only place to seek help, but the range of help sought may 
be from the plain dumb to the mostly highly complex, so I can see that the 
experts may get annoyed with seeing the same dumb questions popping up 
over and over again.

After several attempts at getting started with Zope over a number of 
months, I'm still far from having a good overview of how it hangs 
together. The hostility of some responses makes me extremely reluctant to 
ask for help, which is a pity since I've rarely encountered this on any 
other list I've been on over the last ten years.

-- 
John