[Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate <Your Favourite Part of Zope>

[Jim Fulton]

Well said.

I mostly agree, however, there needs to be a balance.  We are
introducing a process for orderly deprecation of features. I hope
it works.  It's mainly useful for changes that are straightforward
to recover from.  We have to balance lots of different factors
taking into account *everybodies* interests, the best we can
*together*.

Jim

Andrew Milton wrote:
> I think people on this list need to realize that eventually, the direction of
> any significantly large Open Source project is hijacked by the relatively
> small number of people actually doing the work.
> 
> The reasons for this are many-fold, but, normally come down to a lack of
> communication between the developers and the users, which is realized in a
> lack of understanding by the developers of what the users want.
> 
> This for the most part isn't generally a problem, until, the developers start
> to do things "for the user's own good", like remove features that are
> "kludgey", or a "hack", or <insert some other reason>, which generally means
> either noone wants to work on it, or some other change caused it to break, and
> noone wants to fix it.
> 
> Now to the credit of the Zope guys, they actually poll the users to find out,
> rather than just announce the demise of something. However, in general once 
> you add a feature, you can be guaranteed, that somewhere, someone is using 
> it, so removing it will always cause a problem. So there will always be an
> uproar when you poll.
> 
> You're never going to be able to reduce the feature set between point
> releases without upsetting some group of people. So why don't we stop all this
> nonsense now, and just agree, that you're never going to do that d8) You have
> Zope 3 to remove all the stuff you hate d8)
> 
> In my opinion if you change something, it's your responsibility to fix the
> resulting breakage. That's part of your responsibiliity to the rest of the
> community (i.e. the [mostly non-paying] customers). If you don't think you
> have this responsibility to us, then you should work on your own version of
> Zope, where you're not impacting anyone else.
> 
> For the record, I hate ZClasses... d8)
> 


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