[Zope] Zope 2.7.2 with Ape 1.0 installed in root, fails to restart, without any usefull logging, after adding a local role

[Tim Connor]

I sent roughly this email directly to Shane Hathaway, since I hadn't 
asked for any help on Zope, yet, so didn't know where to look.  Maybe 
this was a better avenue? If you read this list, Shane (or Mr. Hathaway, 
if you prefer), respond on whichever seems more appropriate, I guess.  I 
don't know, let me know if I'm missing some etiquette point.

Anyways, I'm using Ape 1.0 set-up in the root of Zope 2.7.2 install, 
based on the example fs config, and that is working fine.  I was having 
a problem where some change was making that Zope instance not even get 
far enough in booting to write to the event.log (set to level all).  I 
narrowed it down to adding a local role on the security tab of the root 
object.  I revert the .properties file and restart - it works.  I make 
the change again and restart - it doesn't.  I diff the file, and the 
only difference is the define-role line.  The problem is I have no idea 
where to start even, since no errors are thrown where I know to find 
them.  Zope just doesn't respond at all when I try to restart it, and 
writes nothing to the log.

If anyone could tell me what I can do to at least track down the 
problem, if not fix it, it would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Tim