[Zope] Java vs Zope

[Tino Wildenhain]

David Johnson schrieb:
> David - I am new to Zope, but I feel your assessment is correct.  We have
> developed and deployed very large applications using PHP/C++, and are now
> looking to Zope to take us into the next stage.  Python seems excellent at
> object orientation and neatness with minimal effort by the developer.   
> 
> Asab - Do you know any types of large applications that are in Java?  I have
> seen only a few, and they are particularly bad, such as the Oracle
> installer, Star Office, and Eclipse. All are excessively large, slow, and
> buggy.  We have one competitor using J2EE, and it requires them 10 times the
> resources (both financial and labor), as it does us using PHP, and their
> application is poor and difficult to modify for customer needs.  Only highly
> trained engineers can understand and use Java, making maintenance expensive
> and challenging.  Our initial efforts in Zope lead us to believe we can be
> even faster and better using Zope and Python than we were able with PHP (we
> use PHP with classes).  Have you not found this to be case?  I'm not trying
> to be difficult, but I have so much trouble understanding the appeal of
> Java.  Thank you.
> 

We came to the same conclusion when we once had an in-company
comparation of e-commerce solutions - one big team always developed
with java and help of external specialists and one small team
used zope. Guess who was faster in development, had more features
and used less hardware?