[Zope] Leave the ivory tower now!

[Greg Fischer]

I took part in an old thread from here from several months ago:
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/users/184052?do=post_view_threaded

In there, some of the prominent members from this list came up with some
great points on the DTML vs ZPT thing.  All great stuff.  However, I agree
with you.  While some of the ZPT fans say that DTML is broke and it sucks,
and from there perspective it might, for some of us DTML is great and we
have no desire to use ZPT.  For us, DTML is not broke.

I like what you said, be tolerant.  Some of us don't see the limitations of
DTML as something that is broken, or that it is not good.  I don't think
there is anything wrong with ZPT either, I simply don't have a use for it.
Coexist? Yes, I hope they always do.

Personally, I am doing more and more with PHP.  There are multiple reasons
for that, but partly it is due to a conception in the Zope community that
DTML is bad, and as such, it might go away. The *hype* is all about ZPT, not
DTML.  I don't want to pursue a development platform that is a foundation of
my applications on something that is going away, or even hinting to it.
That might not be the case, might be totally false.  But we cant deny the
fact that if there is no hype, then there is no attention to it, and less
people will use it and even less will support it.

Now don't get me wrong about that last paragraph, I LOVE ZOPE!  It just does
things so easily that other environments have to struggle with. (Acquisition
being one of them.  Which also is something that people say is broke in some
ways.  It does do weird things sometimes. But if you know how to deal with
them... ;)

I hope my opinions are of help to others. (just remember, these are just my
opinions, to those to might be ready to slam me for them. I intend no
offense.)

Greg


On 1/16/06, garry <garry at schoolteachers.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Nicolas Georgakopoulos wrote:
>
> > Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 2006-01-09 at 14:29 +0100, Garito wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> I thing DTML and ZClasses will disapear someday
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> You think, I hope :-)
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I beg ;-)  .
> > _______________________________________________
>
> Can someone explain why there is a continual battle between those who
> like dtml and those who like zpt?
> Surely the two can co-exist and then individual developers can choose
> which most suits them. Neither seems to be broken and both provide a
> valid experience for users, so let's be tolerant. :-)
> regards
> Garry
>
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Greg Fischer
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