[Zope] Re: newbie -- creating a Product

[Jonathan]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Max M" <maxm at mxm.dk>
To: <zope at zope.org>
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 2:01 PM
Subject: [Zope] Re: newbie -- creating a Product


> Jens Vagelpohl skrev:
>
>>> Mind what I said (or tried to say). If you are a *new developer*, with a 
>>> *new project*, you are far better of starting with Zope 3 than with Zope 
>>> 2.
>>
>> That's questionable. Answers like this only add to a certain FUD factor 
>> out there about Zope2 being thrown out shortly.
>
> You don't have to throw out Zope 2 to start using Zope 3. Just ignore Zope 
> 2 and get on with it.
>
>
>>> If you need features that are in Zope 2 but not in Zope 3, you are 
>>> better of using a framework like Plone.
>>
>> Hell no. Trying to throw a complete newbie not just into developing with 
>> Zope, but developing with Plone on top of Zope is, IMHO, insane. Not only 
>> do you need to learn Zope, you also need to learn the various Plone 
>> programming paradigms.
>
> That is why I recommended Zope 3 as the first choice. Zope 3 is clearly 
> ready for production. In many areas it is allready far better than Zope 2.
>
> I don't understand why it is better for a newbie to learn Zope 2 than Zope 
> 3? Zope 2 has so many warts, and is a dead end.
>
>
>> That's just bad advice, unless someone truly wants those portal-like 
>> functionalities in Plone.
>
> And if they don't, they should use Zope 3.
>
>
>>> I did not say that Zope 2 was useless. I still spend most of my time 
>>> working on Plone based projects.
>>
>> This is a case of professional "blinders". You've been working with a 
>> specific combination for years so these things come easy to you. The 
>> problem is you don't seem to see that there is healthy life outside of 
>> Plone. Or outside of Zope 3, for that matter.
>
>
> Well the problem is that Zope 2 was never easy for beginners either. And 
> by now it is starting to get phased out for Zope 3.

This is the first I have heard about Zope 2 being phased out...


Jonathan