[Zope] Zope Alternative

[Peter Bengtsson]

> 
> I walk away frustrated and angry.
> 
Not a good thing.

> [5] I have a neat idea for a Zope product so I start
> coding it up.  I find some bits and pieces on the web
> and try installing them, only to find that parts of my
> product have a name collision with parts of their
> product.
> 
Products aren't libs. They're quite high-level and end-user specific. 
Take it or leave it or write your own and steal ideas from an existing one.
Perhaps you should look at them as one big Cookbook of examples?

> [1] The documentation is not complete.
> 
Yes and no. Probably complete but scattered all over the web and txt files.
We should have something like
http://www.postgresql.org/docs/ or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/



> 
> Basically, yes.  I want a tool that doesn't try to
> protect me.  I want the full power of Python when I
> make my web pages.  I do not want someone trying to
> protect me, or that makes me jump through hoops to get
> there.  I want Zope's few great features without all
> of its restrictions.
> 
> Is that more clear?
Crystal clear. I hate that too. However, some restrictions can actually 
be good until you become a super expert because otherwise you'll write 
insecure or un-inheritable.
I love that Python has a one-way-to-do-it approach with it's syntax but 
still it doesn't stop you from writing non-Guido like code like this:
def foo ( self, a = "b"): return a (1%2+3)

> 
>> Yet other parts of your discussion show a
>> frightening lack of knowledge of web development
>> environments in general.
> 
> Please don't be mean.  I've been a programmer since
> 1979.  I've done a lot of things in this last 27
> years.  If I can't make a tool dance and sing within
> two years of picking it up, then the chances are that
> the tool itself isn't measuring up.  If there is
> something specific you want to address, please do.
> 
I think you're right. It shouldn't be hard. Usability matters. For geeky 
tools too.


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