[Zope] Zope Alternative

[Chris Withers]

Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote:
> hm... ok, point taken. However: he is not treating us like dirt. 

Yes he is; by simply not bothering to do any real research before making 
huge sweeping statements...

> If he publishes a wiki with some misconceptions, so what? 

If it's full of crap, quite a few people will let him know ;-)

> Will it have
> more impact than all the other sites that don't grok zope and therefore
> dismisses it? No, probably not.

Yeah, but they got their fair share of trouble too...

> But us going on like "you obviously don't get it, do you? In fact, you
> dont seem to get anything about the web, even. Go away!" 

If that's true, then why not?

> either: instead of getting an enlightened zope user, we get yet another
> "zope sucks"-person with a bunch of misconceptions about zope out in the
> wild.

Some people can't be helped...

> spending time thinking about a fork is futile. I somehow can understand
> his position, though, having rewritten some of our systems based on what
> they should do, instead of trying to understand the original spaghetti
> code (but my code is nowhere near the complexity of Zope, on the other
> hand).

I don't there's anything out of the ordinary with this pattern, it's 
what happens with all software development...

> Everybody needs to be treated with some degree of respect, and it's not

Sorry, I disagree. Respect is a mutual thing.

> Yes, in general, but in our case, I get the feeling that *anyone* that
> does not agree with the zope-philosophy, or questions the way zope
> works, gets a smack in the head. This is just the latest example.

Nah, I don't agree, sorry. If that had been the case, how did Zope 3 
come into being? ;-)

> I am not trying to tell people how to behave, though, even if it may
> sound like it - I am just trying to point out some things about our
> attitude that we should be aware of as a community.

I'd say, as a community, we don't tolerate fools lightly. I see that as 
a good thing...

Chris

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