[Zope] Zopache = ZTK + Grok + ZMI
Andreas Jung
lists at zopyx.com
Tue Aug 5 18:04:17 CEST 2014
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Christopher Lozinski wrote:
> On 8/4/14, 7:09 AM, Andreas Jung wrote:
>> You are arguing and blathering every other year the same nonsense
>> without any outcome.
>>
> There has been a huge outcome. I now recognize that grok and ZTK are
> a human factors disaster. It is way too complex for an ordinary
> mortal to begin using. I was privileged to be able to watch it for
> many years and figure out what to do with this mammoth piece of code.
> Those of us who do manage to use it, do not get simple user
> interfaces. I still do not quite understand Zope security.
> Really the whole Grok/ZTK ecosystem needs to be rewritten with an eye
> to Human Factors. You need an industrial engineer in charge, not a
> computer scientist.
>
> I have also increased my self confidence. I am perhaps the only one
> of the once numerous TTW developers to have mastered the Grok/ZTK
> platform. I am now able to do what I need. The rest just faded
> away. That is quite an impressive accomplishment on my part.
>
> I have a first release of Zopache running internally.
>
> More importantly I now have a possible Beta user I met through this
> mailing list, we are in discussions on how to work together. Mission
> accomplished. Thank you sir.
>
>> Have we seen any contribution, any code from you side of the last
>> decade?
> Well I have written 90% of the ZTFY wiki. And I wrote the entire
> Zopache Wiki. I laid out exactly what is needed to be done. I gave
> huge end user feedback to the mailing lists over the years. Sadly
> people like you quite ignored it, and the whole community
> consequently died. Don't blame me for that. I did my part.
>
> But your hostility on this mailing list has been so huge, that I am
> now unlikely to release Zopache to open source. In any case, open
> source is the wrong model from a Human Factors point of view. Then
> they have to mess with last century's unix file system. And they
> are scared of no support. People want a free hosted Zopache TTW.
> Something like PythonAnywhere. And that is high on my list of things
> to do.
>
> Open Source is also the wrong model for getting people to invest
> their time and effort in the project. Unlike Linux there is not a
> huge user demand. Maybe two of us to contribute. Maybe I need to
> give out shares to anyone who wants to work on this project. I have
> to figure out the details.
>
> With Zopache running as a free supported hosted solution, even a
> neanderthal like you could use it.
>
> I do appreciate your provoking an interesting conversation.
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Regards
Andreas Jung
andreas at andreas-jung.com
about.me/andreasjung
EuroPython 2014 Organization Team - Communications
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