[Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3-Users] Visionaire! (All your problems, solved)

[Martin Aspeli]

> 1) Audience==Middle class: Keep the name Zope to apply to the  
> application server and the middle class.  Basically, Zope is the  
> assembly.
>
> 2) Audience==Python: Pick a new name for the top-level package of  
> components.  For example: "zed3" for the naming.  E.g.  
> zed3.pagetemplates.  (Examples: SchoolTool, Tiks, Oxfam America via  
> Enfold, etc.)  Don't heavily brand zed3.

By "middle class" do you mean the developers between the trivial PHP  
system and the enterize-l33t J2EE system? If so, I think that marketing is  
right (and very lucurative).

I think your proposal separates out the Zope-name-is-good from the  
Zope-name-is-bad camp well. It doesn't have to be a dichotomy (unless we  
let emotions get in the way).

Your idea and Jeff's are fairly compatible. I too would like to see the CA  
be made more useful outside Zope, and frankly, no-one will ever require  
their users to download Zope-3.tar.gz in order to install some simple  
application that just happens to use the CA. This may well re-invigorate  
the community, if people who've build a simple application with the CA  
decide they want to contribute at that level, or start building web  
applications. Hell, I'd like to use the Z3 CA for a non-web-application,  
but I don't think I could justiy having Zope 3 as a dependency!

Similarly, I think a lot of developers would like to not be confused by a  
ZMI that may or may not be an application and content types that may or  
may not be useful or possibly just a demo (actually, I don't fully  
understand this yet myself) but feel that they have a powerful web  
development paradigm under the Zope 3 banner with the aesthetic of the  
Zope 3 CA (Zed?) CA.

Martin



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