[Zope3-dev] Mandatory Viewing!

[Shane Hathaway]

Stephan Richter wrote:
> I usually do not send messages like that, but in light of the recent 
> discussions about vision, viewing this will give us all some perspective on 
> what people are looking for:
> 
> http://theploneblog.org/archive/2006/03/02/faster-better-cheaper
> 
> I think currently Zope 3 would end up a little bit better than J2EE, but not 
> much.

+1.  Note that a large portion of the Java community has rejected J2EE. 
  I think the Python community is even less receptive to something 
J2EE-like than the Java community.

> I also think that the priorities the narrator sets are real ones 
> representing a lot of people. So let's discuss this movie a little bit and 
> see how we could do well in his evaluation.

It is a beautiful story and I dearly want it to work.  But the story 
currently has major limitations; developers reach a point where they 
have to make a big switch, learn numerous libraries, and rewrite a lot 
of their code.  How can we fix that?

Part of the problem is that Zope 3 makes too great a distinction between 
developers and scripters.  Successful scripters become developers, and 
developers often act as scripters.  I think the use cases need to see 
scripters and developers as the same people.  The other Python web 
frameworks seem to be oriented this way and they've had a lot of success.

Shane