[Zope3-Users] more confusion... newbie help needed

[Tom Dossis]

Martin Blais wrote:
> hello again
> 
> perhaps it's the overload of concepts, i cannot seem to get a clear
> image in my mind how i'm going to build a zope app from reading the
> online docs.  i need answers to the dumb questions, and all i can find
> is answers to the smart questions.

I agree, the entry level understanding for an app developer is steep. 
"Dumb questions" (which I too have plenty of) will help the 
documentation process.

For me, the Programmer Tutorial provided a stepwise way to get me started:
http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/ProgrammerTutorial

Also, I found the python PEAK tutorial: 
http://peak.telecommunity.com/tut.pdf
very useful (and practical) to grokking component based architecture 
(even for Zope3).

> 
> for example, the tutorial shows how to build the fancy message board,
> but i still can't quite figure out the way to build a simple set of
> html pages with a common template.  i'm fiddling around feeling like
> an idiot.  methinks there is need for a dumb intro to zope.

Not sure if you this is about Zope Page Templates (ZPT).  It does appear 
the Zope3 doco is not self contained, ie. to find out about them you'd 
need to read about them in the Zope2 doco.  It does seem the current 
doco does presume some Zope2 understanding/background, without 
explicitly specifying what.  Maybe that's why it's version 'X'3.

> 
> also, is anyone using emacs/tramp to edit files on the server thru the
> ftp interface?   i'm using the release, and i get a "421 service not
> available" error when i try to save the files, the same occurs when i
> store by hand, zope spits this out: