[Zope3-Users] Please Guido, pick me, pick me!

[Jean-Marc Orliaguet]

Stefane Fermigier wrote:

>Wade Leftwich wrote:
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>>Guido van Rossum is looking for a web app framework.
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>>http://blog.delaguardia.com.mx/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=34&blogId=1
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>>Zope is conspicuous by its absence from the discussion. Hardly a
>>mention, and no advocacy at all.  Is Zope just too heavyweight for the
>>project he has in mind? Or what?
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>I don't think the point is trying to convince guido to use Zope for his
>pet project, the point is global advocacy:
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>- Guido's word is considered gospel by many people (in that occurrence,
>I must confess that I have been profoundly disappointed by his attitude
>- his utter and a priori rejection of XML for a template language, that
>will be used 95% for the time to produce (X)HTML and the 5% remaining
>other variant of XML, with all that it implies in terms of validation,
>etc. is plainly stupid).
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>- Like you noticed, Zope quasi-absence from the discussion is suspicious.
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>Lennart did a reply on his blog
>(http://blogs.nuxeo.com/sections/blogs/lennart_regebro/2006_02_01_guido-webframeworks).
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>Anyway, I'm saddened by both the quasi-absence of the Zope community in
>this debate, and also the badmouthing of Zope (even sometimes, the
>hatred) by some Python developpers taking part in the discussion.
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>There are, however, some constructive remarks like Ian Bicking's:
>http://blogs.nuxeo.com/sections/blogs/lennart_regebro/2006_02_01_guido-webframeworks?post_id=if-mohammed-won-t-come
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>  S.
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I think this has to do with python being used both as a scripting 
language and as a language to create high-level components. There will 
always be a category of users looking for quick-and-dirty templating 
capabilities in web frameworks and others looking for more abstract 
components that address issues from a more abstract and certainly more 
complex perspective.

In zope itself level the same opposition can be found between 
"file-system" vs "TTW python-script"-based development.

I wonder how those who criticize zope3 for being too big a framework and 
too complex to understand, would figure out how to use Java-based web 
application frameworks...

/JM