[Zope3-Users] Re: Is Zope Zope2 or Zope3?

[Martin Aspeli]

Hi,

I think this is very a unfortunate, and unfortunately also completely  
understandable mistake. The Zope community has some great architects and  
developers, but from looking at the state of zope.org, not many who are  
willing or able to market the project to the wider open source community  
and other potential adopters. In the long term, Zope probably does lose a  
number of potential interessants, contributors, donators and developers  
through this lack of marketing. Considering that we are at 3.2 already,  
the argument that it's still new and exciting doesn't really hold water  
anymore.

Of course, the issue isn't just the web site or one or two misinformed  
journalists. Zope 3 is a well-kept secret, and with the degree of  
competition in the web framework space and the amount of lip service  
Ruby-on-Rails gets, for instance, I'm not sure how long it can afford to  
be that. From the Plone world, we have learnt that marketing requires  
dedication, time and skills that are hard to come by, but the pay-off can  
be great. In fact, I'm a little surprised that Zope Corporation hasn't  
taken more steps to publicise the latest and greatest framework that bears  
their name (surely they must find it easier to sell solutions when people  
have heard of their tool of choice - even their brand?). I truly, truly  
hope the Zope Foundation will make this a priority. In the meantime, I'll  
keep telling the guys at work how cool Zope 3 is every time I swear at  
whatever Java thing they've put in front of me.

Martin

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:08:55 -0000, Alen Stanisic  
<alen.stanisic at gmail.com> wrote:

> I received a February issue of Linux Journal and there it was, a review
> of Ruby On Rails and Zope. Which Zope? I have a pretty good idea and it
> didn't take *me* long to realise this was an article on Zope2.  I also
> understand that a reference to Zope means Zope2 but to someone outside
> of Zope world, they wouldn't have a clue.  If someone was looking to
> evaluate a new framework after reading this and even after hearing about
> Zope3 they will probably check out an alternative thinking the article
> was also of relevance to Zope3.
>
> There were also occasions when I mentioned Zope3 to people and them
> telling me they "looked at it", in other words they looked at using
> Zope2, decided not to use it and they are not likely to check it out
> again.  I think this is the story of many in the python community, while
> most of them know about Zope and many use Zope2, there are many that
> decided not to.  The two *different* frameworks sharing the same name
> might not help in getting these people to (again?) evaluate Zope3.  I
> think Zope3 has great potential and should look to a lot larger
> audience, not just Zope community, but python community and even outside
> python community.  Not sure how many Ruby programmers there are but I
> imagine not many which only means people are learning Ruby programming
> language to get into Rails.
>
> I am just concerned that the name might slow deserved adoption of Zope3
> outside of Zope community and this confused publicity in the press might
> not help either.
>
> Alen



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