Hi there, Well a while ago I came across a bug that I couldnt cut and paste and object. A few people helped me out on that, thanks. Ive had a week of squishing bugs and finally got to this one. The reason why? I was subclassing DTMLDocument but using my own __init__ (similar to one where I dont subclass from DTMLDocument), where I didnt fiddle with __name__. The result was when absolute_url() was called I was getting: http://fork:8080/code/test/ElementWithAttributes ! Solutions I have found for this: - Dont subclass from DTMLDocument. This is not an option for me. - Dont try to use your own __init__, use DTMLDocument. This works great, but now I have to recreate all my objects. My current scheme is create the object in manage_addObject, let DTMLDocument do the __init__, then manipulate it then and there in the manage_addObject. Help would be appreciated on: - Why is this happening? A class fine breaks if you subclass DTMLDocument, it would seem __name__ is being used some times, not in others. - Is something funky happening in DTMLDocument __init__, which subclasses DTMLMethod etc...? Ive got a fix, but I only sort of know why and that bugs me. Thanks. -- Andy McKay, Developer. ActiveState.