-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Martijn Faassen wrote:
Chris McDonough wrote:
I don't think "the ZTK" as defined by the historical constraints under discussion here has much attraction for a large number of folks who are otherwise willing to put effort into maintaining Zope packages.
For these folks, any reduction in number of dependencies and test maintenance is a net win, because they just don't use the stuff they throw out, and they don't have any Grok or legacy Zope3 apps in production to maintain that uses this stuff either.
So maybe these folks should come up with their own "KGS" for whatever they need as a subset of "the ZTK". In particular, maybe Zope2 should just be based on this subset.
I think the ZTK should be a smaller thing, but we need to find what that smaller thing is first. I agree with the general idea underlying this move, just not the way it was done, disclaiming responsibility.
I'm quite sure that most of the zope.app.* packages that were dropped are just not very useful anymore. But we should drop them responsibly.
The maintainer who dropped them also went to a great deal of trouble to ensure that the dependencies were fixed, and that what remains is a coherent and usable set of the packages which used to be Zope3. Because of his work, and that of others, the Zope2 trunk can now run against the zope.app-free ZTK he created. You need to identify whose ox is being gored here by dropping those packages: I don't see anybody but you arguing for their inclusion. In particular, I don't see anybody who knows *which* zope.app packages they need, and has a credible argument for why those pacakges should be maintained within the ZTK, rather than by the folks who actually use them. If the ZTK is to be held hostage to a (nonsensical) BBB for nameless users, I would be in favor of just copying Hanno's version of the ZTK config into the Zope2 tree and have Zope2 ignore the ZTK per-se. Tres. - -- =================================================================== Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tseaver@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design" http://palladion.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAks6dTgACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ4KIQCcDjWOMCw1clCGbv03CxEflkRv e5sAn3HLimvx7WbWEo7hujnzItV1q5XI =z8P+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----