I don't think its possible at this point for a working dtml/ttw example. Several people have asked for a simple dtml/ttw only zpatterns based working example, but none of the people who are "getting" Zpatterns finds the time to write a simple example. I'm not sure I know what I'm talking about either. So much for Zen. I think that the flatdatabase product might be a good example for a python based zpatterns framework. http://www.zope.org/Members/itamar/FlatDatabase. I heard that it's possible to have a dtml only zpatterns based example. I would like something like Product specialist addObj Zclass index_html readObj Factory Permission Would this be a correct way to proceed? Get your Free E-mail at http://tacoma.zzn.com ____________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-Based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com