Hi folks, I'm trying to create an object in a way very simillar to some working code, but it refuses to work. Any help? The working code read: <!--#with "manage_clone(f99999, 'f' + REQUEST['number'], REQUEST)"--> <dtml-call "fsmirror(_)"> <!--#call "manage_changeProperties(REQUEST)"--> <!--#/with--> Now I wrote a python product, which is pretty folderish, it has a method like this: def manage_addFeature(self, id, file='', REQUEST=None): """ Create a Feature """ self._setObject(id, Feature(id, data=file, REQUEST=REQUEST)) return self.manage_main(self, REQUEST, update_menu=1) and I'm trying to substitute the manage_clone from above. Whatever I do, I can't get this working: <dtml-with "Control_Panel.manage_addProduct.docstore.Feature.createInObjectManager('f' + REQUEST['number'], REQUEST=REQUEST)"> When I compare the definition the whole thing becomes even blured. Both mange_clone and manage_addFeature have 'self'. The former has two required and one key arg, the latter has one required and one key arg. I'd expect zope to either complain when I pass manage_clone no self (as in the working code above) or neither complain with the none-working code. What am I missing? Thanks a lot /Jerry -- You can have it done fast, you can have it done cheap, and you can have it done well. --- But you can only have two of those at once.