kit blake wrote:
Wow, what a difference two days makes. I heard about the ZF announcement by telephone two mornings ago, and I breathed a huge sigh of relief. It solves a problem we've been worrying about for years. It means we can sit across from a nervous IT director, and when he asks dubious questions about the steering and future of the Zope platform, we can say with certainty, "It's in good hands."
Reviewing the thread, I'm astonished at the negativity. C'mon, this is a *breakthrough*. It's a move that can ensure the future of Zope. Granted, it's prudent to be cautious, and there's a lot of work to be done, but it's a major step. Shouldn't we be using an Agile approach?
As for structure and neutrality, I think decisions should be left up to the developers. If they're not on board, there won't be anything. I'm not much of a developer, I'm a manager, and I know that attempting to pull developers 'over a bridge' is a bad idea.
Actually, I'm a vendor too. So wearing all these different stakeholder hats, I'm looking forward to the process. To be explicit: I'm prepared to invest in the future of Zope.
I'm sorry if I led anyone believe that I view this process negatively. That is absolutely not the case. I'm as excited and relieved as you, Kit. I personally have been publicly supporting the idea of self-governance of the Zope community for some time now and all of this brings us a huge step closer to it. My concerns regarding the process (which might have interpreted as "negativity" towards the whole idea) were mainly oriented towards the way the initiation of the process is perceived. All of the self-governance we already have (e.g. zope.org collaboration and maintainance, Zope 3 development process, etc.) has been built up bottom-to-top, just like in any other open source community. Even the wish for self-governance of Zope itself came from the basis and has been expressed publicly since the Castle sprint or even longer. So, my remarks were purely there to state that the perception of this process being nothing but top-to-bottom (IOW, vendor-driven) were a limited view on things. As anything else is mere speculation, I'm looking forward to hearing more details from those who initiated the process. I am confident that everyone in the community will be invited to participate, so that in the end we can all say that we as a community made this happen. Best regards, see you on tuesday in IRC, Philipp