Hi, I have the following setup: - LoginManager with 3 UserSources, one of them named CustomerUserSource. - A Customers specialist, using a Customer ZClass for storage. Customer has a 'login' propertysheet with property 'password', and a getCustomerByName method returning a customer object. - CustomerUserSource 'load by accessing attribute' is set to 'id'. - A SkinScript in CustomerUserSource: WITH Customers.getCustomerByName(Customers, self.id) COMPUTE password=password, original_object=RESULT The following PythonMethod: obj=self.CustomerUserSource.getItem('jane') return obj.password returns the correct password for customer 'jane', but this one: obj=self.getItem('jane') return obj.password returns this: NameError password Troubleshooting Suggestions This resource may be trying to reference a nonexistent object or variable password. The URL may be incorrect. The parameters passed to this resource may be incorrect. If the error persists please contact the site maintainer. Thank you for your patience. Traceback (innermost last): File /opt/Zope-2.2.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 222, in publish_module File /opt/Zope-2.2.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in publish File /opt/Zope-2.2.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in zpublisher_exception_hook (Object: ProviderContainer) File /opt/Zope-2.2.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in publish File /opt/Zope-2.2.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in mapply (Object: test3) File /opt/Zope-2.2.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in call_object (Object: test3) File /opt/Zope/lib/python/Products/PythonMethod/PythonMethod.py, line 168, in __call__ (Object: test3) (Info: ((<LoginManager instance at 875a590>, ....), {}, None)) File <string>, line 8, in test3 (Object: ProviderContainer) File /opt/Zope/lib/python/Products/ZPatterns/DataSkins.py, line 181, in __get_attr__ (Object: BetterLocalRolesMixin) File /opt/Zope/lib/python/Products/ZPatterns/AttributeProviders.py, line 346, in _AttributeFor (Object: GAPMixin) File /opt/Zope/lib/python/Products/ZPatterns/AttributeProviders.py, line 335, in _AttributeFor (Object: GAPMixin) File /opt/Zope/lib/python/Products/ZPatterns/Expressions.py, line 122, in eval File /opt/Zope-2.2.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py, line 337, in eval (Object: password) (Info: password) File <string>, line 0, in ? NameError: (see above) I don't understand why a direct getItem() call to CustomerUserSource would trigger the WITH...COMPUTE line, while just doing getItem() on the LoginManager doesn't? As I understand it, getItem() calls each UserSource, so why would there be a difference in behavior? TIA, Itai -- Itai Tavor "Je sautille, donc je suis." C3Works itai@c3works.com - Kermit the Frog "If you haven't got your health, you haven't got anything"