Benji York wrote:
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Shane Hathaway <shane@hathawaymix.org> wrote:
Martijn Faassen wrote:
If we don't call Zope Framework "4.0", we'll be fine. We should call its first release 1.0 and there's no implication of a progression. +1 on calling it Zope Framework 1.0. We need the people who have been burned by past Zope releases to take another look, because we believe Zope is finally getting simpler. Those people would assume Zope-anything 4.0 is just piling on more complexity, while a version 1.0 release would invalidate that assumption and suggest they take another look.
Maybe I'm dense, but from the description of the Zope Framework (from http://docs.zope.org/zopeframework/about/index.html) as "a collection of libraries managed by the Zope developers," I can't imagine a non-Zope person being interested at all.
As far as I can tell, the Zope Framework is a project management structure, not something outsiders would be interested in.
That's good point. I think we've been mixing up the two concepts in the discussions. My position: * right now the Zope Framework is indeed a concept used primarily for project management purposes. The documentation is not geared towards outsiders. * I think we could extend the documentation with some information useful for outsiders. It would take a better introduction in that document and some pointers to where to find out more documentation about the individual libraries. I think we should do this. There are good reasons to present the Zope Framework to the outside world (certainly where we want to attract new developers to Zope 2, Zope 3 or Grok): * non-zope developers would be most interested in the individual libraries. If they want to contribute they'd need to find out how that is done, and this is documented there. * it's the common foundation to these projects. We can therefore show where our community has some measure of unity. * much of our community's development efforts are invested into this stuff! We should talk about what we actually spend a lot of our time doing and talking about. Regards, Martijn