Hi there, we don't really want to ship all of zope.app with Zope 2. zope.app is supposed to be the Zope 3 application server. It shouldn't be included in Zope 2, especially since it requires twisted and such. We're therefore moving everything that isn't part of the core Zope 3 application server out of zope.app so that we won't have to include zope.app in future Zope 2 versions. Perhaps we can deprecate zope.app in Zope 2.10. I've compiled a list of zope.app subpackages that are directly used by Zope2/Five in a proposal: http://dev.zope.org/Zope3/MakeZopeAppSmaller. I am currently in the process of implementing this proposal on the jim-adapter branch of Zope 3. I would like to know what other zope.app packages your 3rd party software is using. If thereare any other used than the ones mentioned in the proposal, we'll have to move them out of zope.app. I'd like to ask for your help on that, otherwise future Zope 2 versions might not anymore include the package you're using. Philipp