Hi Jimbo, I'm not sure what you mean by 'not getting anywhere...' but I've generally found it useful to work on problems like this one little step at a time. I might be tempted to just try: WITH EmployZManager.getItem(self.id) COMPUTE original_object = (RESULT is _.None) and NOT_FOUND or RESULT and WITH self.original_object COMPUTE name=emp_id, description=first and then put some objects into EmployZManager 'manually' with known attributes for emp_id and description. Then try to trigger the script by displaying the 'original_object' attribute. (You should set the rack to be non-persistent and 'original_object' as the existence attribute.) Once that's working, then worry about the other skinscript statements. If that's not working... the you have some other problem. -steve