After working with the Zope help System a bit, I got very annoyed that there was no consistent ordering to the tree. For example, you could repeatedly click the contents tab link, and watch it reorganize itsself. Attached is a patch that sorts everything by id. Why id? Because then I can make my help menu item id's a numeric sequence, and put the topics in a specific order. Example: Membership Overview Membership Conventions Rather than the order being random. Attached is the patch. patch from the Zope root directory. Once applied, you *don't* need to restart zope to see the change. Bill Anderson -- E PLURIBUS LINUX --- lib/python/HelpSys/menu.dtml Sat Nov 25 13:22:45 2000 +++ lib/python/HelpSys/menu.dtml-new Sat Nov 25 13:19:51 2000 @@ -2,7 +2,7 @@ <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('MANAGE_TABS_NO_BANNER',1)"> <dtml-var manage_tabs> -<dtml-tree> +<dtml-tree sort=id> <dtml-if "meta_type =='Help Topic'"> <a href="<dtml-var absolute_url>" target="help_main"><dtml-var title_or_id></a> <dtml-else>