As threatened, i've created the zope-dev list, and through a bit of finagling, you're on it. I've duplicated the membership data for the zope list, so that each of you will have the same password, user options, digest status, etc, as on the zope list. It's now up to you to choose whether to keep both memberships, or resign from one or the other list. And to start posting zope-developer-specific messages to the zope-dev list, instead of the general zope list. Ideally, the traffic from both lists, together, will equal what was being carried by the single consolidated list, so traffic from both, together, will be no more massive than the consolidated traffic was. The idea is to _partition_ the traffic from the consolidate zope list, so cross-posting is strongly discouraged. In response to my proposal some people suggested more elaborate schemes for dividing, but i don't currently plan to do that. This does not mean that there won't be special-interest lists created - things like the zope documentation project that martijn faassen is seeding are prime candidates. However, for more wide-focus lists like zope and zope-dev, it can be hard enough to avoid confusion about what types of messages should go where - i think it's really important that the division be fairly simple and straightforward. Thus we're starting with zope and zope-dev, and will only split further if/when heavy traffic with clear divisions appears. In that light, let me try to clarify the division between the zope and the zope-dev list. The key concept is that there is some significant portion of the zope user community that just want to use zope to publish their web content, and would be perfectly happy to not know the nitty gritty of _how_ zope does it. So if you have a question or neat trick about running zope or publishing content, or you know of some resource or public venue for zope that would interest zope community, it probably belongs on the general zope list. However, if you want to talk about zope's guts in all it's gory detail, send your message to zope-dev. I expect this will take some shaking out, with time. However, i see that i mistimed my prior test, so you all are already aware of the new list's existence - i'm going to send this, and let ensuing discussion clarify as needs be. Feel free to contact me directly if you have questions or need help with your subscriptions - but note that much can be done from the respective lists listinfo and roster pages, which i'll itemize below. (For instance, you can find your subscription options page by going to the respective roster page an clicking on your subscription address, and from there unsubscribe or change your subscription options...) Welcome! Ken Manheimer klm@digicool.com zope: http://www.digicool.com/mailman/listinfo/zope http://www.digicool.com/mailman/roster/zope zope-dev http://www.digicool.com/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev http://www.digicool.com/mailman/roster/zope-dev