Ok, so imagine a DTML method has an owner, and as the docs say the method can do no more than the authenticated user and the owner's permissions combined. So, now delete the owner. The DTML method will no longer be functional, since the owner does not exist, and has no permissions. I found this to be true with ZClass constructors at least. I believe that the method should take the permissions of the authenticated_user only in this scenario, but it does not. Any ideas? ___________________________________________________________ Tim McLaughlin BCSwebservices.net Director, Technical Group 1950 Old Gallows Road tel: (703) 790.8081 x111 Suite 201 tim@bcswebservices.net Vienna, VA 22182 www .bcswebservices. net