-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Martin Aspeli wrote:
Chris Withers wrote:
Martin Aspeli wrote:
Plone development with Archetypes is not painful. Hundreds of developers do it, so it can't be that bad.
AT has the classic "Z-shaped curve" in spades: when it does what you want, it is great, but trying to get it to do something else is painful and frustrating.
Urm, that's not true. Archetypes is the single most painful component to use from Plone...
It's also the biggest source of frustration I have with Plone.
Okay. Let me rephrase. Most people don't find it painful, and a huge number of developers are being very productive with Archetypes. I know you hate it Chris, but you are in the minority.
I don't agree all that often with Chris W, but I find Archetypes an extremely frustrating framework to work with, an normally avoid it even when building out sites with it. It is not exactly a secret that the Archetypes codebase is a mess; its original authors have abandoned it, pretty much. There are some hardy souls who will fix bugs in AT, but nobody has stepped up to the problem of making it play nice with other frameworks, or making it more maintainable. Trying to find a more palatable replacement for AT is a perfectly reasonable goal.
In any case, you may be interested to see some experiments we've been doing with using formlib and Zope3-like content types, not using Archetypes. See http://dev.plone.org/plone/browser/plone.app.content/trunk/plone/app/content.... It won't be a full alternative to Archetypes for a while, because AT provides functionality that doesn't (yet) have any equivalent outside AT, but for simple things it may be worth exploring.
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