If anyone has PIL working with Zope (any version) on Win32, could you tell me which PIL modules you installed and where you got your _tkinker? I can't even get PIL to work with 1.5.2 from the command line. If I use last falls PIL win32 binary release, I can get viewer.py to work from the command line, but this release is 1.5.1b2 based and has it's own TCL/TK. If I apply the April Pil win32 patch, the command line viewer shows my .bmp in black and white... If I move PIL .py's to Python/lib/PIL, add __init__.py and modify Image.py as Dragon De Monsyne, I still can't get viewer.py to work with 1.5.2 PythonWin (or command line) because PyImaging... isn't defined in my _tkinter.. I'm then using the TK and TCL that came with PY152.exe Should I have _tkinter.dll or _tkinker.pyd? I'm lost.. Any suggestions would be appreciated, thanks. Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com ICQ: 14856937