I suppose this may sound crazy, but for me, the ultimate development environment would allow me to do most everything outside the browser, and just call the browser for viewing. I've managed to add XML-RPC and WebDAV to ZopeEDIT and can manage Folders now (create/edit/delete) and deal with a few attributes of Objects (title,id) (I've not released yet). For me, the clincher with this, is being able to use my own editor and tools (templates, other text processing python modules, cpp, m4), to program Zope. I can do with with every other language I develop in except Zope and this is the most frustrating aspect of trying to write a Zope app as none of the tools I have built over the years are available to me. I personally find this a serious productivity decrease. So, I guess what I'm afraid of is that putting the management aspects into another browser will be different, but will really just be the same in that it will still exclude the tool base I'm used to for developing. And I'm also afraid that I'll plow ahead with ZopeEDIT and find that 'Zope Studio' in fact DOES address my concerns and my time will have been wasted ;) So I'm trying to get a handle on what sort of projects are happening, whether they meet my needs, whether I can contribute to them to help them meet my needs, or whether some folk are interested/willing to contribute to a 'non-browser' approach to an IDE. Any comments, suggestions, declarations of insanity are most welcome. cheers! jim Martijn Pieters wrote:
From: "JB" <jimbag@kw.igs.net>
I've been poking thru the archives of this list and there was a brief thread regarding a Zope IDE back in January. I wondered if there has been any futher discussion/development in this area. Recently I put together simple a way to edit DTML src via the Medusa FTP, mainly because I've had it trying to edit src in Netscape. I've been poking around looking into XML-RPC as a way to do management without having that *&^%@$#^$ browser in the way and wondered if anything was happening in that dept, or if anyone was interested to have anything happen in that dept. BTW, I have checked out the Mozilla list too. Another browser isn't it?
Mozilla is another browser, yes. Zope Studio is an IDE for Zope build using Mozilla as a framework. We use it's cross-platform GUI widgets for our interface, and we use it as a application framework. You will be downloading a seperate application, but this will (probably) be automated for you by Mozilla.
I am using your ZopeEDIT to do the Use Cases for it though =) This is on Windows 98 (I haven't had time to switch over yet, Debian potato is installed, but is yet to be fully configured..). It works like a charm.
Cool!