OK, so I have been working on a set of user management methods for Membership by tazzzz. I have it where I can see a list of users, and their roles. now, what I need is a way to modify Roles. So, looking into the source, I see that roles exists (as currently implemented) as __roles. This means that you can't modify roles from the web. So, I added this to the MemberMixin: def changeRoles(self,roles): self.__roles=roles return self.getRoles() Restartted zope, yadda yadda. Now, it appears to be setting the roles (if I return self.__roles I see the changes), but the changes are not persistent, since the roles don't seem to be changed. The above will return the same roles the user had prior to the call to changeRoles. :( So, thinking back to the transactional nature of the ZODB, I added a: get_transaction().commit(1) ...before the return ... no luck. Then tried: get_transaction().commit(1) ...same result. Now, it is getting early (you know, once you past 'late' ;^) ... and my brain is shutting down. So I figured I would post this to the list, to see if anyone has any bright (or not-so-bright) ideas. Yeah, I know the above is a total kludge, but I wan't to get this working before re-implenting a 'bettr' default PUS, to make sure I understand what I am doing. {:^)= Bill -- Do not meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are easy to annoy, and have the root password.