-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Martijn Faassen wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
On Apr 17, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
Simon Michael wrote:
-1, Gary's is clearer. I think what is clear or not is very subjective. I think that at least is clear.
I think it is clear that you are disregarding many people's opinions.
Okay, I'll come back with a bit more rational response than my first one.
Could you also tell me how I'm disregarding people's opinions in this thread? Examples?
Or do you think stating my own opinions and concerns, while I'm clearly (explicitly mentioned) thinking this topic through, is tantamount to disregarding other people's opinions?
Do you really think I'm in this discussion with people just to disregard their opinions?
I'm trying to consider the impact of changing a well-known well-used name that carries certain expectations (different ones for different people!) to something else that was set up explicitly to have different expectations, namely the Zope Toolkit.
The Zope Toolkit concept was explicitly designed to *separate* those expectations from the (vague but broad) expectations surrounding Zope 3. I spent quite a bit of time trying to work that out. Now we're a few weeks later. It is proposed instead we rename what we called Zope 3 to "Zope Toolkit" and tell everybody that the expectations changed. I've expressed clearly that's an interesting approach and also clearly that I have some concerns.
I am -1 on pushing a "Zope3 is now the Zope Toolkit" message: I would rather that we *not bring up Zope3 in public again*, while still enabling those who have built apps atop the un-brand to maintain them. If somebody asks, "Hey, what happened to Zope3?", we can explain briefly that the core of it is now ZTK, and that the other bits have a life of their own, but *without the un-brand*. To this end, I think we sholud remove all traces of the un-brand from prominent places on our websites, try to stay "on message" as a community, while re-focusing on the technical aspects of the transition (rather than the branding / perception ones). Tres. - -- =================================================================== Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tseaver@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design" http://palladion.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ6LKE+gerLs4ltQ4RAkfIAKC/s1iE3sE3+fag5Tvrat6X/uM9XACfTctf EvnsuRnMvhmvoeh7JJ8L/fI= =iKI4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----