Well I got Zam and ice.control working. One kind soul pointed out that the zmi allows one to add types TTW. I fired up a zope 3.4 server, and indeed it is true. Although ugly. So let me get the ZMI working with Bluebream. So I fired up Rotterdam inside of BlueBream. http://oilmaps.org/++skin++Rotterdam But it looks just like the default BB home page. At first I thought I did something wrong. If it is not crashing, I must have correctly installed Rotterdam. Now I think that Rotterdam must be the default home page. If that is the case how do I get the old ZMI interface with bluebream? Do I use Boston? Is the old ZMI even available with BlueBream? Lots of Google searches and reading the source documentation have not helped. To put it all in context. I am making progress. I have ice.control, ZAM, and now Rotterdam running. My confidence is growing. My speed is increasing. But I still have a long way to go to being productive in this environment. I think I need to hire a mentor. I did find one person who was a ZAM author, but he is in Europe, which is sadly a more expensive place to get help from. The list of Bluebream consultants seems to include bunch of companies from Eastern Europe. I am also thinking of buying a stack of books from Amazon. I wonder which ones I should get? Why is this path so hard? How can I help make it easier for others? -- Regards Christopher Lozinski Check out my iPhone apps TextFaster and EmailFaster http://textfaster.com Expect a paradigm shift. http://MyHDL.org