-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
Julien Anguenot wrote:
Some Zope3 developers don't care about Zope2 and this is fair enough in my point of view. Zope2 starts to get old and appears to be really a mess compared to Zope3 in *2005*, plus it's not such an attractive platform as it used to be couple of years ago. (Don't get me wrong on this. Time just changed. I'm using Zope2 much more than Zope3 nowadays and still I like it even if I'm *dreaming* about only using a modern platform "à la" Zope3) I would fear that some new folks might find the Zope3 project much more confusing and less attractive because of the Zope2 mess around. (common mailing list, common repository etc...)
Please, let's not mess up Zope3...
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You state correctly that "some Zope 3 developers don't care about Zope2". This might seem like a suitable point of view, but as Martijn pointed out very well, it's also a foolish one. It limits the acceptance of Zope 3 within the Zope community.
And what about the acceptance of Zope3 *outside* the Zope community ? Zope3 will look like more complicated and confusing doing a merge. I'm more concerned about the acceptance of Zope3 outside the Zope community because Zope2 developers will have to move to Zope3 at a certain time. It's juste much more easier than for the first people.
Zope 2 is a mess, I give you that. I'm not asking any Zope 3 developer to re-embrace it, though. In fact, the idea of this proposal is not that Zope 2 is going to stay with us forever. It is about speeding up the convergence process!
I understand your motivations Philipp. I just think this is too early. When Zope2 will look like a Zope3 'configuration' then maybe it could be of interest.
There are a good amount of people, Martijn and me included, who are working towards improving Zope 2 and we simply want to attract more people to help us.
I still believe Zope2 developers will come on Zope3 pretty easily. The challenge is people outside the Zope community and I'm more worried about them.
Zope 2's architecture might be shitty, but its community is bigger, don't forget that.
I never said shitty. Take it easy on the interpretation. I'm using Zope2 for years and it's with what I'm working daily. I said *old* and it's different. It's not as attractive as it used to be couple of years ago. This is a fact. This is why Zope3 exists. I still believe your proposal would be a mistake at this point for Zope3. Cheers, J. - -- Julien Anguenot | Nuxeo R&D (Paris, France) CPS Platform : http://www.cps-project.org Zope3 / ECM : http://www.z3lab.org mail: anguenot at nuxeo.com; tel: +33 (0) 6 72 57 57 66 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDhTLOGhoG8MxZ/pIRAmSwAJ0e8d2S/lyXgeTm3dAQgqBh50eJzwCeONEC 52QuaUKLeFESP+Ytar3NkDE= =bc5x -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----