Hey, Okay, in the interests of making this discussion go quickly, there has been enough negative feedback about renaming Zope 2 to think we have no realistic chance of renaming it. We are still stuck with the following perceived sequence: Zope 2, Zope 3 which implies that people should want to upgrade. How to get out of that bind? We could consider renaming Zope 3. Is there any potential for this? I'll note that I don't think there's as much at risk here: Zope 2, Zope 3, Zope Framework. This isn't a progression that people want to upgrade to either, but it may give the wrong impression. If we don't call Zope Framework "4.0", we'll be fine. We should call its first release 1.0 and there's no implication of a progression. Regards, Martijn