Hello, I ran across a previous post regarding a simple ZPatterns based example you were working on. Did you ever get it working? How about any other basic working example. I understand the concept I'm not sure on the implementation. What would help me the most is a simple step by step guide like this. Create product folder. Place a ZClass derived from dataskin. Go to the default rack and select the ZClass as storage. I understand I have choices where to put the methods depending on what I'm trying to achieve. I just want to "make" ZPatterns store a single property in the dataskin zclass. I've tried putting methods everywhere. I thought you placed them in the specialist and then called specialist.propertysheets.Mysheet.manage_whatever(). Now I'm thinking the specialist goes into the dataskin. I think I should be able to get a simple working example using a specialist,ZClass, and a factory to add the product to the add list. Get your Free E-mail at http://tacoma.zzn.com ____________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-Based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com