I heard that there was some discussion about the relationship between Martijn Faassen's "Five" project and future versions of Zope. I'd like to say, for the record, that I think Five is an important project. It is one of a number of projects to work out how to use features of Zope 3 in Zope 2. Most of the projects, such as the one here at Zope corp are not as public as Five. I can say, on our part, that this is not from a desire for secrecy, but from a lack of bandwidth to share what we have done. I applaud Martijn's effort to make this a broad and open effort. I view Five as an important step toward Zope 2.9 and encourage people to get involved with it. I certainly intend to be invlved as much as time allows. Of course, Five will change over time, as we get more experience with it. As with any technology, this entails some risk for early adopters. I think, however, that we'll fairly soon identify the parts that are stable and the parts that are subject to change. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:jim@zope.com Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714 http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org